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| Hi there, I just took my 6.5 month old for his special ear check and it was all clear. Yippee. Speak to your health advisor to make sure you have your babies ears checked too as they have extra concern for middle ear problems in indigenous children. We also got a lovely show bag from the indigenous health people with a cloth bag, cap and water bottle all carrying the red, yellow and black flag. Lovely. Anyone else know of anything special we should look out for in our babies?
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crystalmum
I just wanted to say its great to have people like you to share your knowledge.
I also wanted to ask for your opinion on non aboriginal people fostering children.
We were looking into it after the adds on the TV last year. I have had a lot to do with aboriginal people all my like.
When i contacted the agent in our area we were told that it was a rule that they only recieved funding if they did not allow non aboriginal people to foster.
Considering there re so many in need of care it made us pretty cranky. Lets face it everybody pays the taxes inthe first place.
In the second place too many people have twelve children in a tiny place just because they are aboriginal.
Nobody can give twelve children special attention IMO.
Nobody has twelve bedrooms- 13 rooms if you count Mum and Dad.Yet for us to foster we have to give each child a seperate room.
I would have thought a five year old would have been much happier with a eight year old sister together in the one room.
That would give them the oportunity to stay together as a family.
We dont mind to take non aboriginal children but we love aboriginal kids and really really wanted to help a couple by long term fostering - or even adoption if that was appropiate.
Looks like we wont be allowed. Do you think thats fair on aboriginal kids in need- because i dont.
That means all the other kids will get first chance to have new homes and lots of love.
Mean while the aboriginal kids get stuck in tiny homes a dozen cramed in together.
What do you think. Pls speak freely.
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| I have not fostered aboriginal children here but I have had little Maori children and Samoan because I do know bits about their culture. Culture and not the number of rooms is really the important aspect of caring for children from other backgrounds. And Patty it is incredibly important in the way you care for them and talk to them so that they do not become isolated from their own heritage. I think this lady was talking about inner ear problems and you turned it in to some weird attack on aboriginal caregivers and the size of their dwellings. The funding probably encourages more aboriginal people to become carers and they are very much needed. Other organisations do non-aboriginal so they are filling a need where there is a gap. This two children per room is a very WHITE concept and has nothing to do with raising happy, healthy, educated, children with a strong race identity.
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Jewely Considering I was the only one to comment on this thread- i feel thats a bit rich.
fyi have had extensive knowledge of aboriginal people and worked with them over a life time.
We dont have aboriginal schools here. We dont even have aboriginal work shops for all kids to learn.
I 'do' have contact with aboriginal people on a weekly basis by choice .
These children are often put with a family for culture reasons because it looks better on the department politically.
That is despite uncle being a drunk etc.
Do not be so quick to judge people
Short Story
I worked with the QLD Minister for aboriginal affairs and others for several years. I put up a progect that Warren Pitt X Minister actually offered a lot of funding for in support.
Several other people from both Maylasia Australia etc.. were stunned when a gift of 12 million dollars gift was REGECTED to buy a property on the Gold Coast .
Colledge uni Ag centre etc.. This was all due to one provider funded by the Government.
They and they 'alone' made that choice after a shift in the Ministers advisors office,.
A week ago speaking with the premiers office they have assured us that they intend to make sweeping changes to fostering aboriginal children.
So they should- because they are still treating aboriginal kids like specimen progects.
My very good friend fosters 7 aboriginal children and prior to that has had dozens come and go.
HOWEVER. despite having two of those kiddies for three years- since they were very young the department a years or so ago decided to remove them
These little kids had only ever known my friend and her husband- and have three other brothers and sisters there.
The aboriginal Uncle who suddenly decided her wanted the kids after years is a drunk of the highest order. Everybody knows it. He has six! other kiddies in his care in a very small area!
Now the interesting thing is he refused to take the two children when they were just babies.
To cut a long story short. my friend and her husband challanged the department legally.
They won and have custody until they are 18.
Also THEY are the only ones who have kept incontact with the Mother of the children.
Whatever- People are quick to jump in and assume others have no knowledge.
Like I said I was the only person who even bothered to comment on the thread about aboriginal babies.
I think thats pretty sad and that there are some self centered people in this world
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| So when you say knowledge are you talking about your friend with the children who got the two long term? Is this where you decided 12 kids in a house probably wasn't ideal? I have noticed in this country that there isn't a sharing and hardly an interest in the aboriginal culture. In NZ all people know some Maori words or become quite fluent because from primary school they are emersed in it and it is made a fun thing to be part of. A lot of the customs become part of everyones family life. I'm afraid you don't get a gold star just for commenting on a message left a year ago. Okay don't quote me - maybe you do around here. How does one contact aboriginal people by choice? Is there a hotline or something? I still feel bad about climbing Uluru - no one told me it wasn't cool. And when I got here I was shocked to discover "abbo" was not an acceptable term - it is used regularly without malice across the ditch. But anyway - if your average white Aussies take the little Aboriginal children they will loose who they are and their connection to their race and their land. Funding should still be going to those within the culture to improve things for their own people. No not the drunken uncle and every family of every race has one of those.
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Question:-So when you say knowledge are you talking about your friend with the children who got the two long terms? Is this where you decided 12 kids in a house probably weren’t ideal?
Answer: Nope, I knew long before that they were a problem. That is why we put forth the proposal to open a boarding house, Ag school. That was supported by the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs office.
*I have noticed in this country that there isn't a sharing and hardly an interest in the aboriginal culture.*
Answer - correct
• In NZ all people know some Maori words or become quite fluent because from primary school they are emersed in it and it is made a fun thing to be part of. A lot of the customs become part of everyone’s family life.*
NZ is miles ahead of us in many ways. Especially when it comes to questions of humanity. NZ Were also a good example of value adding for their own country – and diverted much of their cruel Live Animal Trade back to production in their own country. We could gain a lot from following some of heir policies. Aboriginal people have many different languages. I was fortunate enough to have parents and especially a mother that taught us to mix and learn from a very young age. We lived at Kempsey and mixed daily. Sadly I have forgotten a lot of language but I still recall a song we all sang together as kids. Gin Gang Gooli gooly gooly wash was ging gang goo- ging gand goo. Repeat
Then Hailer, hailer shale, hailer shaler aller o
Hailer o hailer shailer\ walli walli walli
Goong gash and so on.
Graham Dillion is a friend of the family and we have done a lot over the years- Too much to write here- see Graham here
http://www.griffith.edu.au/about-griffith/aboriginal-torres-strait-islander-first-peoples/community-culture/elders/graham-dillon
*I'm afraid you don't get a gold star just for commenting on a message **left a year ago. Okay doesn’t quote me - maybe you do around here.
Actually I didn’t realise it was left a year ago. I am having a few problems following this forum systemTBO.
After saying it makes it worse!! Not one of the other posters bothered to encourage or support the writer.
Sickening.
Question>:?*How does one contact aboriginal people by choice? Is there a hotline or something?*
Answer: Yep sure is. Its called go out of your way to contact them to see how you can help.
*I was shocked to discover "abbo" was not an acceptable term - it is used regularly without malice across the ditch.*
It doesn’t normally upset most true aboriginal people Julie. Only the good doers .
*But anyway - if your average white Aussies take the little Aboriginal children they will loose who they are and their connection to their race and their land.*
Julie, they are not little animals running around in the bush. They are little people who need help to attend school uni and assimilate. We don’t have aboriginal schools on every corner. We have Christian Islamic and many other schools but it seems the Government our Government were not as respectful as NZ. They have to be a part of society. So what, we house them in an isolated area then expect them to just fit in with whites at school?
• Funding should still be going to those within the culture to improve things for their own people.*
• The fact IS in Australia (Especially since the intervention again) - there are thousands of these children who have been removed and nowhere near enough aboriginal carers. Most of them already have 10 to 12 in tiny houses. / Even the Government have acknowledged it has to change. A small miracle!
No not the drunken uncle and every family of every race have one of those.
Yes but Foster carers must ALL meet their basic requirements and we can’t simply over look the rules – just because they are aboriginal in preference to white carers and that FYI is what has been happening for a long time!
Because these kids get a even worse run that many others. I would like to do something to 'also help them-
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| Ahh New Zealand... a Treaty was signed with the Maoris. No running away from that now. I believe when settlers first started cruising into NZ the Maori way of life made assimilation much easier. They were a fighting people and had territories they fought for. They had crops and cleared land, they had already themselves made several species extinct, had dogs and pigs. Aboriginals were something different, peaceful, nomadic.. Probably happier to just be left alone. Is there no option to leave them alone? Do they have to assimilate? Does lack of academic education mean they are any less than the rest of us school goers? Is it too late? They want to be part of the world now or do the ones that don't be given a choice? Every country white man went to the first thing they did was hand out the grog. Brilliant. Then let your offsrping call them drunks for generations to come. I don't remember seeing that mentioned in the big apology. There is something wrong here Patty me old chook.... maybe we should end it until there is an aboriginal here to speak on their own behalf instead of a white Aussie and a white Kiwi arguing about what may be in their best interests - that mistake was make a long time ago.
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You might find this of interest
http://www.abc.net.au/indigenous/stories/s2527272.htm
I am pleased at being called an old chook..... compliment really
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| I would hazard a guess that the reason there hasn't been a reply to this thread for such a long time is that there hasn't been an indigenous person wanting to respond. The heading for this forum is "PARENTS LIKE ME' / 'INDIGENOUS PARENTS" ....Which to me means that if I'm not indigenous then the person who started this thread probably doesn't want to hear from me on this particular topic. Otherwise they would have posted it in a different area. The same way that the Dads have a thread in their area all about how when a woman gets involved in one of their threads a lot of them just stop posting comments because they feel 'invaded'. I am certainly not racist, I simply don't identify myself as being indigenous so didn't feel I had the right to post on this thread. Just wanted to clear that point up. Thanks.
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| "PARENTS LIKE ME' / 'INDIGENOUS PARENTS" Maybe it meant we could talk about them and they were the subject topic. You would think that both the "dad's" active on this site could just e-mail each other so as not to be invaded. Hey - ANYONE. Patty got me thinking a lot about what I do as a foster parent and she is also a constant reminder of how little I know about this country and the people in it. Nothing about the politics. I will go out there myself and try to get information etc but what I am concidering is this: I am already an active short term foster parent here and recently several children left to either return to parents or go in to Long Term care. I have one (white) sort term child left. And here I am reading about the little aboriginal children already in care and crowded as there are not enough aboriginal carers. So are there courses I can do so that I can learn enough about the culture to get the point I could care for the children and succesfully keep them in touch with their culture?
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